Podcast and Chill with MacG

00:01 To advertise, email, podcast at thisismaggie.com. Release yourself from order and logic and enter a new place. It's not work. It's not home. Here, no maps have been drawn. No books have been written. Nothing is certain. Everything is possible. Welcome to Podcast and Chill with Magic. 00:29 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 00:50 The weekend felt so long, guys. 00:51 The weekend felt long and happy Women's Month to all the ladies. Happy Women's Month to you, to us. It did start off on a really sad note. I mean, Lisa Koppel, who was Danny K's wife... has unfortunately passed. I think they've been married for a really long time and I can only imagine how he's feeling, how her loved ones are feeling. And it's not a great start to Women's Month. So my condolences to her and her loved ones. We will keep you in our thoughts, prayers and memories. 01:22 Yeah, wonderful. I mean, 41, that's very young, eh? It is young. It is young. Yeah, well, I saw a statement that they put out and whatever, and the cancer, I'd never heard of it, like, call or something. How... 01:36 What's the diagnosis? Colon cancer Colorethral something Not colon cancer Yeah But it's a Yeah It's a word that I'd never heard of before And I think the family is very intentional It makes sure that people are aware Of that Disease Affliction Whatever you want to call it And all of that But yeah man You're 41 is still Very young But yeah So sad Yeah 02:00 Excuse, guys. Well, welcome to Read The Room. Everyone who's welcome is the girls, the gays, the thems, the theys, and the straight men if they behave. 02:15 I love the pink. 02:16 Is it for us? No. You look quite cute today. For women's men. 02:21 For Read The Room. 02:22 No. 02:24 It just feels... 02:27 That's all it is. 02:29 Yeah, and also after we were all wearing black last week, I don't know why I'm wearing black again today because it's not nice with these colors. So sorry for the eyesore, guys, that I'm giving you right now. 02:42 No, funny enough, fun that you say that because that's what I thought. 02:46 I'm comfortable in dark colors. Yeah. 02:48 Like my wardrobe is probably 70% black and brown and gray. So I'm comfortable in neutral. Are they neutral? Like muted, not neutral. Muted colors, right? And I've always wanted to be, to get into the whole bright color thing, but I never feel comfortable or confident enough to do it. And so after last week's episode, we were all wearing black as if like we were mourning something. I'm like, okay, I have. I can't show up again with it. 03:14 So that's why you wore pink. Your Apple Watch strap, is that always blue or is it to match your top? 03:19 No, I change them with my outfit. So I've got straps. Yeah, I've got straps and I just... Real rich bitch. No, these are like 30 rent at China Mall. How about time with you? Hi, boo. 03:33 Yeah, man. So, you want to start with events? 03:36 Yo, okay. Like, my event is that, like, life has been stressing me out a lot lately. 03:42 And I've, like, been so stressed that I've, like, started reacting physically. Like, I've developed hives on my legs. They're very disgusting. Yeah. Um, and I'm just like, I hate the fact that my event is that life still has to continue. 03:56 Do you know what I mean? 03:57 Like no matter what is happening, whether you lose a loved one, whether you kind of feel sick or whether you're just having a bad mental day, life has to go on. And I'm like, sometimes I wish not that obviously that can never happen. There's no pause button, but I wish that like in certain scenarios, there is a thing to be like, Hey, Not good over here. Can't do. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes you don't... Like, there's days where you don't want to leave the house or you don't want to get out of bed. So I just said that life has to continue because I really want to chop my legs off with how sore these things are. 04:30 But I'm here. You know what I mean? Because life has to go on. So that's my vent. Is that why isn't there a pause button to be like, for two days, I'm just removed and the world can continue. But... 04:42 I'm removed without feeling bad yeah you know before I say my vent can I just can I just ask you guys this um you know the situation where like I'm one of those people that I don't like there are days when I want to wake up and not talk to anybody you get what I'm saying and when I'm in a relationship I find that there's been instances where I'm with somebody and I wake up in the morning and I don't want to say anything and I'm quiet and keep on asking are you okay Oh, as in if you're physically with the person. Yeah, are you okay? And then I end up not being okay because you keep on asking me if I'm okay. 05:13 And I told you that I'm fine. There's nothing wrong. Then you should communicate that you're not a morning person. 05:18 No, but sometimes you do, but people assume. You know, like there are certain... 05:24 People who have a preconceived notions of who we are as human beings, right? Especially people that you meet in a certain time in your life. You know, I don't want to, let me put it that way. I don't know why I'm necessarily myself, right? When you are in the public space, right? When you are a known personality, people have a perceived idea of who you are. It's a big, And even the people that you meet in romantic circles or in trying to build a relationship with, in as much as some of them pretend that they don't care about that, it's still part of that, right? 05:56 So they're like, oh, you are this person or whatever. So they expect that all the time. So... Not to say that you are faking it, but they're thinking that if you are quiet, maybe they're not living up or they're not, you know. And you're like, dude, don't do anything. I'm okay. I just feel like I want to press that mute button. 06:13 If you're dating someone who's like maybe rejection sensitive, maybe to save yourself preface, like wake up and be, hi, babe, you good? Good. Yeah, I just like... kind of having like a quiet day just to like say that like you know because I'm like the opposite end of the spectrum where like my partner could be like that where he just doesn't want to speak but because I'm very like attuned to people's moods and shifts and moods I'm the person who's like are you okay no you've just been quiet are you okay and he says that about everyone where he's like why are you asking me if I'm okay now I'm not going to be okay because you're asking me but I'm just like then say like yo I'm having a quiet day then at least I won't feel like it's me 06:52 You know? 06:53 So maybe the person feels like, am I bothering you? Does Phil not want to be around me? That's the thing. 06:58 But also, most of the time when you're having a quiet date, it's because you're not okay. 07:02 Not really. Sometimes I just don't like talking. 07:05 So why did you have someone come to your place the night before? 07:08 I'm even a terrible texter as well. Why do you have someone in your bed? 07:10 Why are they there then? 07:12 They're not there for me to be talking about talking on 24-7. 07:14 Invite me when you want a chance. 07:16 I want a chance. 07:17 You're not always demanding. 07:18 What I'm saying, invite me when you want a chance. You can't invite me and not talk to me. What do you mean? 07:24 No, we've talked. We've talked and talked and talked and talked. It's early in the morning. Sometimes it takes me forever to kind of like, you know, acclimatize and, you know, get into the groove of things. You get what I'm saying? But I'm assuming 07:35 sometimes i just don't feel like talking okay but i'm saying that that's someone maybe who also like doesn't know you like i'm a morning person i can't talk in the morning yeah but there are people that need to defrost in the morning so the person should know that yeah my person doesn't talk for the first two hours of the day but if i tell you if you know you've you didn't do anything wrong and you know that everything was great you're asking me the first time i'm like no we're cool we're good we're good there's nothing wrong you hate 08:01 me. And then you ask me the second time. We're cool. Nothing wrong. Leave. Actually, leave. Phil, did you have someone over this week? 08:07 No, I have a tool. 08:09 I know the weather permits. Yes, I wouldn't be surprised. 08:13 The weather permits, but no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm just piggybacking on your rant, JJ, because that's something that I've always dealt with. 08:20 Oh, where you're like, I just want to pause mentally or verbally. 08:22 Yeah, because I've never had somebody else be articulated in that way, because I've always felt bad about the fact that I would say, I have that, you know. Like, for instance, empathy, whatever. Like, I'm an empathetic person. I'm a sympathetic person to my, you know, people around me and all of that, right? But I struggle with nursing emotions, right? Like, for instance, if you got a phone call right now telling you that your mom has passed away or something has happened in touch with, You know, I'm just, yeah, I needed to go that extreme so that you understand, right? 08:52 My reaction is not, let's all cry and be all hysterical. My reaction is on some, okay, cool. Have your moment. Okay, how are we getting you home? Are we making sure that, you know, I'm practical like that. You get what I'm saying? I'm not the, let's dwell for the next two weeks. It's just not in me. Somebody else watching that might think, oh, this guy is cold. 09:12 Mm. 09:13 But I'm not You'll never see me And here's a weird puzzle You'll never see me cry In public over something That is personal But if my I could be in a freaking movie Watching And there you are It's the weirdest thing Come on I don't know where that comes Well it does come from my mother In a way But I don't know what that is It's the weirdest thing Like when it's personal When it's my body and my mechanism whatever just goes into this mode of solution what's the solution how we're getting out of here how we're doing this I'm also very protective you know which is very funny because I grew up around females and A lot of people are like, oh, you're gay because you grew up around you. 10:02 No, actually, I'm much more because I grew up around you. Because everything was expected of me to protect the females around me. So I've got that. It's one of your best traits, I think. 10:13 It is. Anyway, but I still have to rant. Yes, let's talk about the rant. So here's my rant for the week. 10:18 So my rant for the week is very simple, right? Yes. So I don't want to mention his name because I don't want to give him clout. But I saw this video of this guy. 10:26 Name and shame. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There are certain people that you shouldn't name, you know, because you name them and then it becomes something else. So I saw this content creator who was talking about the podcast landscape and, you know, the industry generation. It was talking about the fact that there are certain people that are doing podcasting, whatever, who... Boring, okay? Which is fair. Everybody has their own appearance. If somebody thinks that I'm boring, fine. Where he lost me is when he started saying they are boring because they are brand safe. 10:59 And this is where my rant comes in. 11:01 Yeah. 11:02 Guys, I don't understand why as an industry we are going out and telling content creators and new people in the industry that being brand safe is a wrong thing because that is just ridiculous in my opinion. My rant is this, right? I always think about it this way. If you've got something who's getting millions of views and they're making nothing out of those millions of views. What is it for? Right? And then you've got another person who is... 11:29 making good views, but their content is able to attract brands to be able to work with and they're making a living out of doing content creation. Who's in a better position? 11:41 The letter. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? So this idea that for you to be relevant within the digital media space, we are trying to run away from television because television has been gatecapped. The mainstream media has been gatecapped. You know, you needed to know somebody or screw somebody or be affiliated with somebody for you to get opportunities, right? Now we've got the internet where... 12:03 It's fair game. It's an equal space and everybody who wants to be in this space and actually create content and make a living out of creating content has an opportunity to do that without having to get a cosign from anybody else, right? And now we are now getting into your point. Now, even in this space that is supposed to be democratizing content in the industry, we are putting dates now. Oh, no, no, no, no. This one is not good enough because they are this. And for me... That annoys me. And the idea that for you to be relevant, you have to be nasty and crass or whatever. 12:37 Guys, if you are going to do something in this space of entertainment and you're not making a living out of it, for me, what is the point? And I say this as somebody who has a track record. I've never had a nine to five job. I was a kid in the villages in Northwest. 12:55 who after my mom passed and I realized that I have no other option to do anything, to advance my life. I was like, I'm going to Jobeck and I'm going to be somebody with or without, you know, the resource, the money or the degrees or whatever. I'm going to go to Jobeck, hustle and make something out of myself. And what? This platform, the internet and the digital space and the content creation space allowed me to be able to build a career for myself. 13:21 And the reason why I was able to do that is because I chose not to do gossip. I chose not to be chasing numbers for the sake of chasing numbers. So there is nothing wrong with you being brand safe. The whole economy of the digital content space is built on brand buy-in. 13:42 Do you understand? Everybody, this network, everybody on the digital space is earning a living based on brands buying in. So if brands cannot buy into your content, what is the point of you creating content? We cry in South Africa about people being famous for the sake of being famous. Do you understand? We cry, oh, this person has been whatever. 14:05 But when they are doing the things that are able to position them in a way that is going to be able to sustain them and make them a living, we also dog them. So you want these content creators right now that are popping. 14:18 five years from now, for you to be sitting in your little YouTube and whatever, telling them, yeah, you fell off because you whatever. Because if you're telling these kids right now that are coming to the content digital space and telling them that they all have to be so ridiculous that brands should not work with them and that makes them real. 14:36 So do you think, because I'm assuming this content creator was speaking about podcasts in particular, so do you think that it's also an assumption that people... 14:47 make that like if you're on a podcast because it's not heavily regulated like tv or radio that isn't it the point for you to be all of these things whether you're clickbait or rage bait or problematic or ugly or gossiping do you think that it's an assumption that people have made that podcasts have to be like that and that's why if you come here and you're more like us read the room the adults of the network If you come here and you're more like us, then you're boring. Exactly. 15:16 Because a podcast is supposed to be messy. Yes. That and also they are trying to make it a trade within the space that for you to be a real podcaster. Let's talk shit. You must talk shit. 15:31 Yeah. That's what it's about. 15:33 That's what it's about. And I want to make it very clear. This is not just about podcasting. It's about content creation as a whole. That for you to be seen as a real, you know, digital media personality or digital media personality, You know Made it kind of person You have to go that route And my thing My thing is on some No It's okay to be brand safe guys It's okay We'll check on you in 10 years Content creation is better Or in 5 Maybe even 2 I think it's mostly in the podcasting industry Where people feel like They have to talk shit For them to trend And for people to watch their shows Yeah 16:10 But that's You can never win Because that's the whole thing You start off being Relatable Because maybe you just posted Like one video Where you were being What they call real And then everyone loves it And then you get this Mass following And all of that stuff And you're so relatable And then the minute You start working with brands And you clean it up a bit It's No, I prefer to then. Yeah, then. So people don't... I just don't think people understand progression in certain spaces and I don't think people like it. You have to be a miss. 16:40 You have to be a miss. 16:42 This is called show business. If you want to make a living, if you're going to quit your job, if you didn't have a job, you're going to come into the space and say, this is what I'm going to do for a living. 16:55 Mm-hmm. 16:56 You understand? Just in as much as when you open a spaza shop, you have a plan of, my spaza shop is going to sell Acha and Kota and this, and this is all my projections and this is what I'm spending on my capital or whatever. That's the mentality that you need to come with when you come into this space. Otherwise, you're going to ban out and you're going to be disgruntled and whatever. 17:16 There is a plan here. And part of that plan is being able to make money. You understand? Being able to pay your bills. And how do you pay your bills? You pay your bills through brand collaborations because that's the only way. Because even on television, basically media, advertising is huge there. You know? 17:36 The channels make money through advertising. In South Africa, we don't have syndication as they do in America where they know, okay, a show can be sold to multiple other, you know, stations or whatever through syndication and they can make money like, you know, how Oprah became a multimillionaire and all of that, right? We don't have that in South Africa. So even the mainstream media is run mainly by advertising. You understand? So... 18:00 When you are telling somebody who's coming into the digital space, no, no, no, no, don't be branded. Don't attract brand. 18:06 Okay, let me just mention name. 18:07 Like for instance, Umunaga gets a lot of flag. 18:11 Every time when I see somebody trying to criticize Umunaga, they always say, oh, Umunaga is too brand conscious. 18:18 What's wrong with that? 18:19 Are you going to pay my rent if I can't act a fool? Are you going to pay my bills? 18:23 Wait, does the person have brands or collaborated with brands, the person that started this rant? No. That YouTube created? No, no. 18:32 That's why I said he'll see where you are in two years and see how far it gets you. 18:37 Exactly. He's still in his bedroom. Damn. That's the thing. But yeah, so that was my rant. You guys have to show me this guy afterwards. So that was my rant for the week. My rant for the week is that, guys, there's nothing wrong with being brand friendly. There's nothing wrong with just being, you know, having a plan. I want to make money in this space. I want to make money. My content and whatever. is set up in a way that is going to be, you know, able to... And what's real doesn't always have to be messy. 19:03 Exactly. 19:04 Like, there's a difference between the two. 19:07 I love that this is the second time that you've had a rant since I've been like, let's actually get out shit about chess. 19:14 Well, this is always handy. Because he's on X, remember? You need to leave X. 19:21 No, I can't. That's where my money's at. 19:22 Okay, but after you tweet, delete it. 19:26 They don't pay you well here? No, Londi, there's some accounts that... Have you seen that account? Which one? They have like an AI picture of you as the profile picture. Oh, that parody account. 19:37 It always changes. They have like over 300k. 19:39 Yes, but they tweet problematic shit. And I hate when I just randomly stumble on it. But it's always the girls with the bums. 19:46 Yes. 19:46 On X And then someone Will comment And they're attacking This Londi Like the real Londi As if it's me And they're not aware Of the fact that That's not her saying This cuck You know, so whoever you are, Lonnie, Lonnie, whatever, stop it, man. I gave up on eggs. I tried. Shut that account down because just be you. Just be you. And like, be a bitch-ass nigger because it's always a guy behind these fake accounts about women. 20:08 Even on Facebook, same situation. You'll be very surprised. People come to me and they're like, Lonnie, I gave you my thousand. Please, can I have... I'm just like, I don't have Facebook. A thousand for what? Marajo. 20:19 Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. No, no, no, no. Like, what? These Facebook people are doing a lot. A thousand followers or a thousand money. No, like a thousand rands. Somebody sends a thousand rands to these accounts to meet you. 20:33 And then they take bookings as well. So I ended up calling this person on Facebook only to find out it's just a little farm boy, Nyana, that was 14 at the time living with his grandmother. And I'm just like, why are you doing this? No, but come on, you guys. And he's like, I need the money. Some people deserve to be scammed. 20:48 And now you're on some random flyer somewhere. You don't pitch up because it's not you. Babe, no. He's even running Forex deals. 20:57 Like, he's doing a lot. No, but here's the thing. Here's the thing, guys. He's a businessman. Sometimes here's the thing. Some people deserve to be scammed, right? Listen, you're sitting in some village somewhere, right? And you've got a thousand rand and you think Lonely London is going to leave Johannesburg and China and Bali and whatever to come to you. 21:20 It's like catfish. 21:24 Like this one lady thought she was talking to Bow Wow. I'm like, Chief, what the fuck would Bow Wow be? Come on. You deserve it. You deserve it. You know? Yeah. 21:35 Okay, cool. So on the television space, TV and movies. Yes. 21:41 Give it to us. 21:42 What's happening is that I don't know how I feel about this, guys. You guys need to kind of like, you know, sell me this if you guys are into it. But apparently, SABC has signed on to be the new main sponsor of Delicious Festival. Isn't the DSGV delicious? And apparently it's going to be in Kyalami of all places. 21:59 But isn't the DSGV delicious? 22:00 It's still going to be in Kyalami. I feel like it's going to go to the ghetto. 22:05 Wait, wait for the DSGV. No shade on SABC. 22:08 No, no, no. With the new dispensation and the new, you know, God. The multi-choice and all of that. The multi-choice Canal Plus situation. Yes. So that contract... 22:18 So it's going to be SABC Delicious Fest. Yes. No, no, no, no. Let's be accurate. 22:22 We don't know if they are the title name. That doesn't make sense. We don't know that yet. I can't remember how. 22:34 New Year's Eve part is not it. That one that's hosted by the SABC. 22:39 It used to be though. 22:41 I feel like Delicious Fest is going to give Jose Buse vibes. 22:45 The one that happens in Peter Marysburg. Yes, that one. It used to be a vibe though. 22:50 It used to be 19 when you were a teenager. No, you know what? Okay, okay. 22:58 I need to defend the SABC here. I need to defend the SABC. A little bit, a little bit, a little bit. Yes, the SABC has gone through a lot of, you know, rough patches. But I don't know what's happening at the SABC within the last... 23:11 12 months or a year and a half. Okay. 23:13 There is some improvement. Given what we thought. It's the new shows. The ship is sinking, sinking, sinking, right? But something there is happening. I don't know what it is. I don't know who's there, who's new or who's whatever doing what. But somebody at the SABC right now is doing something right. Innovative. You can see the tide slowly. Yeah. And also, people need to understand that for the past 10 or maybe 11 or whatever years, the SABC has just been... 23:43 Guttered. And guttered only, not only through money, but only through incompetence and... So you get what I'm saying? So to fix that, it's going to take some time. You get what I'm saying? And I'm seeing some improvements, you know? Okay. Shout out to SABC. Make the SABC cool again. SABC Plus. 24:01 Yeah. 24:02 They just hit that 3 million subscribers. No, they have the best views. Oh, shout out. Woo! 24:10 Will you be there, Delicious Fest? 24:11 I love Delicious Fest. I've always, like, I didn't go to the Lauryn Hill one, but I've always liked Delicious Fest. I've always enjoyed it. But I'm saying, in terms of this passing, I mean, handing over from a DSTV to an SABC, Who actually, how do I word this? Who actually owns Delicious Fest? Like who's handing it over? Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 24:32 Yes, if you never owned. 24:34 They never owned. 24:34 Yeah, from my understanding, they never owned. Oh, but they're just a sponsor? 24:37 Yes. So it's probably a private owner. Yes. Oh, and now SABC is like, okay, we'll sponsor. 24:43 It's like Z Nation, right? So you've got two DJs who own Z Nation. And then when they say, have Bob comes. Then it becomes Avbop Zee Nation. Yes. Oh, it's that type of time. Avbop goes and then Salam comes and says... Yeah. 24:57 Okay, so when you say... Obviously, you said at some point... Because we've spoken about the SCBC and how it's always going to have its people. Because... There's a huge demographic of people who can't stream or afford whatever. You know what I mean? So when you say people thought the SABC was dying, I didn't think that was an option because it's always got its people. It was never dying. That's what I'm asking. 25:23 Audience perspective in terms of audience pool. Yes, the numbers were down but they were still huge numbers compared to other platforms, right? And premium numbers gone. 25:33 You know, SMC3, you remember SMC3 was like LAX, you know, that audience gone, right? What I was talking about mainly was brand equity, brand visibility, and brand power. 25:50 was dead, was dying, if it was not completely obliterated, right? Because nobody trusted the brand SABC anymore. Nobody saw the brand SABC as valuable anymore. Yes, they still had the numbers, but nobody was going to say, oh my god, I'm on SABC, I've made it anymore. Remember when the SABC won, that's the SABC won. 26:10 My show almost went to SABC. Yeah. Won. And would you have been happy or not happy? Yes, it's not. 26:19 SMBC Delicious. 26:19 You would have done the numbers, but invite us. 26:22 Are my people watching? Yeah. But I think the tide is slowly turning on that. 26:27 So you need to go to your sources and get us the name of the person who is creating the change so we can proper shout it out. Yeah, man. 26:35 Yeah, we need to find out who that is. Whoever you are, you are doing a great job. Or whoever you all are, because sometimes it's a collective. It's a group of people. Whatever you guys are doing, it is seen by some of us who, you know, pay attention. 26:49 But also, guys, what happened to that presenter search on top billing? 26:53 Apparently, they're on the top 40. They just announced their top 40. Top 40? Only now? 26:57 Because I saw someone tagging me. I'm like, is this thing still on? It's for months. Top 40. 27:02 40? No, it's not a real thing. 27:03 I must wait months to be in 40. Yeah. 27:05 No, give me the winner. They're on the top 40 right now. 27:07 Give me the celebrity winner that I know you're going to pick. It can't be a real thing. You're going to pick someone that's an influencer. 27:12 You're on the top 40 right now. That's already a presenter. So how are they doing it? How are they going to get you one? 27:16 I have no idea. I have not yet. If people have to keep posting, that's just free advertising. If people have to keep posting. 27:22 I'm just like, wow, this thing is still on. 27:24 No, I just... I have not really been that invested in the top billing situation. 27:31 Honestly, guys, I love top billing so much. I thought what Patience Stevens and Bassetsana and, you know, the other people at Cordova had done with top billing was such an amazing thing, right? And also, maybe this is a personal thing. I have an aversion to this thing, Yoko T. 27:49 sometimes leave certain things where they are. Yeah. You know, this thing of rebooting and rehashing. This is a new audience. You know, we live in different times. So is this going to happen to Delicious Fest as well? 28:00 Sometimes leave some things. I want to go. I don't agree. We'll see SABC. 28:06 Yeah, no. We'll be there. Invite us. Yeah. Sometimes leave things where they are. 28:10 So you're saying the... Yeah, invite them, Cham. Don't take my weight and... No, no. No, we're there. 28:16 But at least Delicious is just a different sponsor. It's not a reboot. But I do agree that reboots, I've never enjoyed. Whether it's fucking Rapunzel or Shrek. Yeah. Like, you're right. Leave it where it is. But I'm just saying, in terms of this top 40... 28:29 they're not required to further humiliate themselves, right? And post on social media again. They are still posting, Shamisa. 28:35 I just said someone tagged me. Someone tagged me. Someone's posted another video. I already auditioned. I must post again. 28:41 Can I tell you guys something that you don't know? 28:42 So tired of it. 28:43 Can I tell you guys something that you don't know? What the hell? Yes. So when Topping was going to premiere, right? I got a phone call saying that they wanted to send me a gift, right? And I was like, no. Is it a house? 28:58 They wanted to send a gift. They wanted to send a gift. I'm like, no, but I'm going to read the room. You know, I think this would be cool. Just send the gift to us at Read the Room. What did you get? Wait. Do you represent us at Read the Room? And also, you know what would be great? If you guys can have Uzozi record a voice. 29:16 You told them that? Yes. Record a voice note, you know, just, you know, saying, hi, read the room. 29:21 Let's go. 29:22 Give us... 29:27 Okay, so... 29:30 I don't know if she was traveling or busy or whatever, but so... Wade came back and said that, oh no, she can't... Okay, she will see if she can record it. Okay, one... 29:42 Wait, wait, wait. No, I don't think she's going to do it, okay? No, it's fine. 29:47 Okay, sharp. The gift? 29:49 Wait, I'm kidding then. The house? Where is it? So now I'm on some. Okay, fine. She didn't record it, which I understand. People get busy. People do certain things. And people have their own reasons. 29:58 No, people don't like that. They think we're Missy. It doesn't matter. Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. But we love Missy. 30:03 I love Missy. 30:04 No, but we're not Missy. They don't know that. Here's where it's... 30:09 What's going on, right? Because I understand Zozi not being able to do, you know, the VO and all of them, right? 30:20 But the gifts are not coming. 30:21 Because it's a house! 30:25 Wait, so back to Sugella. But you're going to get a gift. They called you. 30:29 And I was going to come here. Initially, they were sending me a gift, right? 30:32 Yes. 30:32 And I said, okay, fine. Did you get a gift? Remember, the episode… No. No. The house. Remember, there was an episode we were talking about top billing. Yes. Whatever. And when I got the message saying, hey, Phil, we're going to be sending you a gift from top billing, you know, for a premiere week and whatever, blah, blah, blah. Oh, by the way, we're going to be talking about that on our show. We're going to be talking about Tobiling on our show, you know. So I think this would be cool. And I said, I think this would be cool since we're going to be talking about Tobiling anyway. What would be cool is, instead of sending me the gift, send the gift to me and my co-host on Read The Room. 31:08 Yes. And then we open those gifts on Read The Room while we are talking about whatever. And then we have Uzozi. Put the voice. Oh, it's a voice on the thing. I thought that was going to be a... You know, I'm a producer at heart. But that was your plan. What was their plan? Their plan was on something. Fuck y'all. 31:24 We watched the episode where we called it a humiliation ritual. And also, what do you feel? So you never got anything for this. So no house in Naisna. 31:36 nothing to fuck no Shamisa like you're doing too much there was no gift like a box no first of all they said okay we're gonna send the gift but then obviously a gift comes from a warehouse or whatever you're putting it together then the episode drops Shamisa was calling it a humiliation ritual to audition online we're talking about that strategy do you think it was before so I think they saw it and they said fuck you guys fuck them 32:00 No, but I don't know who did that. No, I don't know who did this. 32:03 It was not bad. 32:04 I call bad, but still it's like, why was I gift you? It wasn't bad. Why was I gift you? I'm still getting tagged on the auditions. 32:12 Fight the good fight. Fight the good fight. 32:15 I need to say this very quickly, because it's important. Here's the thing. I don't think it was a Cordova issue. I think maybe somebody in PR at the ABC, who's a little young black boy or whatever. Black boy. 32:29 No, no, no. Our people can be petty. 32:36 For no reason. Do you understand? 32:38 Like, I've been doing this for a very long time. 32:42 White people, I can criticize their movies. I can criticize their work. I can criticize whatever. They would actually even invite me to come and sit with them. And say, oh, Phil, we saw you didn't like this. 32:52 How about this? So it's a black thing? What do you think? Is that what you're saying? 32:55 Not completely, but yes, a lot of black people are paid as fuck for no reason. 33:01 No, but I said it. 33:02 No, no, I will stick to it. Little black. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's go there. I'm going to be nota right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're going to say, no, honestly, no, no, no. No, but honestly, no, no, no. 33:14 Black coffee is going to get you. 33:17 Guys, let's be honest. Let's be honest. Right? Do you know why I celebrated when Canal Plus came to South Africa? Yes. And I said it on this show. I celebrated because a lot of black CEs, commissioning editors, have been terrorizing black talent in this country. 33:33 Terrorizing black talent in this country. It was not white people. Yes, white people do fuck us over and whatever. Yes. But those white people who fuck us over in this industry are aided by black people. Listen, I remember, oh God, fuck. 33:48 Back to it. 33:49 Vents sessions. Vents sessions with Phil and Bella. Woo. 33:53 I will leave it here. 33:55 I will leave it here. 33:59 I will leave it here. There was a time in my career in this industry. Yes. Where, and I even said it publicly and I got attacked for it many years ago. There was a time in my career in this industry where I used to think and I used to verbalize it and say, every time that I would walk into a boardroom, and see a lot of white people and a black person in that room, I knew I was not going to get my worth. 34:22 Yep. 34:23 Because I knew that that black guy is going to talk shit about you. 34:29 Negotiate me so down so that when I leave the room, the white people in the room can say, You did a great job. 34:37 You got us where our budget is or the price we wanted or whatever. I swear. 34:42 They always say, it's your people. Talk to your people. 34:45 Yeah. That's the thing. Negotiate. When he's negotiated you down, it's like, shout out. Shout out. 34:49 Thank you. But how do you feel as a black man? Exactly. 34:52 it's only when I started working with agencies like I will do my collective and whatever when I started seeing a change and appreciating black leadership within our industry yes as a content creator and as a personality as whatever you know when somebody fights for you to get what you're worth mmhmm When somebody say, no, yeah, I know that's what you're saying, it's your rate, but I think... Yo, but how much were you paying at Duma? I will never complain going at Duma Collective. 35:24 I will do anything for them. 35:25 Get the money back in tenfold. Aye, Shem, aye. 35:27 Aye. 35:29 Isn't that some sort of internalized self-hatred, though, that you would negotiate another black person down to get the approval of other races or other people? Do you know what I mean? Like, what's more important to you is white people being like, oh, shout out, Londi, you made Shami so low at her rate than actually looking at Phil and being like, no, I got you. Yeah. 35:53 Did something great for another black man. You know what I mean? 35:55 So for me, internalized self-hatred is just like really... Yeah, and it's hard to... Not even self-hatred or weaponizing. 36:03 It is internalized self-hatred though because you'd rather get white approval than uplift another black person. We always bring each other down. You know what I mean? 36:12 What's up in the fashion scene? Oh, no, we have a guest today. 36:15 Yeah! 36:23 But also, Delicious Fest is on like my birthday week. My birthday week? It's gonna be next year, my birthday week. 36:31 So, SABC, do the right thing! No, we're there. 36:35 Okay, we're there. But she is one of the most talked about TV personality of 2026. Oh, me? 36:44 Not you, our guest. 36:47 She's up next. 36:48 I was shocked. I'm just like, it's not me. I mean, you know, reality TV. I'm like, it's not me. It's not me. 36:54 Yeah, really, we've got a guest. Finally. She's one of the most talked about personalities of 2026. And the year's not over yet, yeah? We're only on August. August. And people are still talking about you, girl. 37:07 The queen of bazo's world. Yo! 37:10 You shook, you shook the table, you shook the street, you shook the side. A multi-level credits. 37:19 They just try to do their job. Welcome to our room. Hello. Hi. I'm good. 37:28 Good. Okay, I think let's start it here. Break the ice, let's start it here, right? So everybody and their mamas and their degrees and whatever has tried to define or state who Tandeka is, right? I want to give you an opportunity right now to tell us in your own words. What? 37:45 Who is Tandeka? 37:48 Just an honest soul. 37:50 And Tandeg is Tandeg. You've experienced Tandeg. Ah, yeah, yeah. I need more than that. It is what it is. You ain't going to get more than that. Why not? Drink Tandeg. 37:58 Ah, come on. Come on. I need more than that because, like, honestly, everybody from commentators, journalists, to your fans, to your haters, everybody has been trying to tell... The world Or tell South Africa Who Tandeka is And that's the problem Except for you Except for you Because that's the problem So I'm trying to give you An opportunity right now To just Tell South Africa watching right now, whoever's watching right now, this is me. 38:28 This is who I am. I'm Tanda Heka from this place to this place. 38:34 Why the conundrum? It's not conundrum. The problem is trying to tell. And human beings are very familiar with the space of saying, I'm a good person. 38:45 Show us who you are. I show you who I am. I'm not really present for... 38:51 nonsensical reasons, be calculated as a person, know who you are. Utandega is a person that knows who she is. What you'll hear from me is what you should hear from me. If you're going to go around searching from other people, then you're not going to get the essence of Utandega because they are not Utandega. At the end of the day, everybody has their own interpretation. 39:11 of who Utandeka is. 39:14 Are you okay with that? I heard the name. 39:16 I heard the name. 39:17 I don't know her, but I heard who London is. And I asked him, I said, is London London, isn't London with the following? Because I don't really know her. Like, I never look at those things. I've just heard that she's said a couple of things. But at the end of the day, she reserves the right to interpret the way she wants to interpret. What is that thing that I've said? 39:36 Sorry? What is that thing that I've said? The thing that you've said? 39:40 I didn't really concentrate I think it's out there if I went to go look what it is but it wasn't anything positive I know that much and I'm saying that people's interpretations at the end of the day somebody will interpret you a certain way and also your supporters embody an essence of you whether all of you or a bit of you Or whatever There are some Talians That are war heroes And there are some of them That are very generous But all of them Take something from you So can I ask In terms of being here On like this network Where you feel like When you were on The main show You feel like you got The villain edit 40:21 as opposed to maybe how other people's edits have been. You know what I mean? 40:26 And now you're saying what you're saying about you feel like what Londi said wasn't positive or whatever. I think... 40:34 Are you asking me? No, yeah. So I'm trying to, I'm prefacing my question. So I'm giving you context of where the question is going in the sense that I think when Phil is saying, I understand I'm like, and I don't want to label you, but I'm saying I'm a defensive person like myself. So I understand that maybe even Phil using the word opportunity, you're like, I don't need an opportunity. to correct any narratives do you know what I mean so I get maybe where you are coming from on that level so I'm saying in terms of like the edit do you think that you got a bad edit in terms of this network but obviously you're back here chilling with us which we're very happy about what is the thought process about your edit and the fact that you're here now again 41:22 I got what humans get. 41:25 You're not going to be liked by everybody. You could do a gracious thing. I've always said to people, question why you do a good thing. Are you doing a good thing for self gratification? Are you doing a good thing because you want other people to see that you're doing a good thing? Or are you doing a good thing because you're simply doing a good thing? Either way, there's many interpretations and some people lie to themselves, right? So people can lie about you. The best way to draw what people are thinking of you is from you. You've been there. Through growth, we kind of let go of that. 41:56 But we've been there. Done that and it is what it is. So for me, I'm not here to defend whatever. Everybody has a right. 42:03 I also reserve the right. I reserve the right to dig deeper if I wish to. I reserve the right to say... 42:11 it's like you just you know I'm not interested in getting to know you any further so I didn't get any edit besides a human edit and it's fine it's all well so there's nothing to defend or whatever not and another thing is being understood is overrated guys leave it alone You are misunderstood. Very. I see you. 42:31 Very misunderstood. Yeah, I think I was also misunderstood. That's my fucking life, dude. That's my life. Can we get back to this thing? Because I don't like leaving things hanging. 42:39 Yeah. 42:40 Because you said, apparently I didn't say anything that was positive. It was very negative. I believe when you say something, you must be well informed before you... attack someone or say that they've said something so I believe that you might have an idea of what you think I said and I want to know what is that thing because the only thing we spoke about was the ghost lady thing her being attacked when she was trying to ask a question us as a room no no apparently you said things alone Where? 43:10 I don't know, whatever. 43:11 No, we only spoke about you on this podcast. Okay, that's fine. But here's the thing, what I'm saying. No, no, no. 43:16 No, no, never. Okay, never. 43:18 But here's the thing. 43:18 We were talking about what happened on that episode. Okay, apparently, those are words. Yes, I don't like assumptions. That's why I wanted us to finish it. 43:26 Yeah, but that's the thing. That's why I said apparently. I did not say unequivocally. 43:30 Yes, but then you're planting a seed as if I've said something negative. 43:33 But I also planted a seed that said, I didn't really look because as a person, me, I don't really go digging into things that are not my business. At the end of the day, that was your business. No, it wasn't my business. Hold on a second. 43:49 It is not my responsibility to tell you what you said. You remember what you said. I'm not here to get into the nitty-gritty. But you started the topic. That's why I'm asking. I didn't speak about you outside of that episode. Hold on. Hold on. 44:02 You planted a seed as if I've spoken about you negatively outside of this network. This is a show where we talk about pop culture and things that have happened in the entertainment space. And we were talking about and reiterating what happened in that episode. So we were saying we did not like the treatment that Ghost Lady got. It wasn't a thing of, it was just me. People just singled out Londi London because, I mean, I'm well known. Which is fine. That was the only reason. 44:30 And that's why I'm reserving you the right to say what you're saying right now, that people singled out, just as people singled out. So I watched involuntarily because sometimes I don't watch, but a significant other was actually watching the podcast. And Ookos Lady, Ookos Lady is just doing her job. When she asks things, at the time, I'm not familiar with her, I don't know her. But over the times, I'm looking at her, I'm like, oh, no, no, she's meant to give these questions in the way she gives them. But depending on who's sitting on the seat, people will interpret it differently. 45:03 There was a guy that was here, a musician. 45:05 What was his name? Shazik. Yeah. And the way she was asking, he also got a little, you know, a porcupine-ish. But no one is really going into that because that is not the interpretation of him, which is fine. That's what you got from Mutande. But the point is for me, which is funny, I love that you say you're here. So you're familiar with the ghost lady. And if you're familiar with her, you'll understand that she's meant to sharpshoot certain questions. 45:30 So you feel like she's a bit provocative. Yeah. 45:32 As she should be. Yeah. 45:34 In the show like this. Okay. She is designed to be because I've analyzed. So with you knowing that design and then saying you don't like the treatment, which is not a treatment that's very adverse from what was coming from the other person... Then I don't see anything to really say you're talking about because you're kind of like familiar with it. 45:51 But I didn't talk about it. You talked about it. No. I'm talking about that. I was just elaborating on what you started. 45:56 You said, there's a clip here that says to you, we had an issue or interpreted a certain way. 46:01 Yes, I was explaining the topic that you had started about me and singled me out. Okay, I'll say. 46:06 Whereas it was a topic of the show. Okay, for me. It wasn't a London London thing. I have a good memory. The reason I said that, I said people's interpretation. And you just happen to be a hypothesis of mine. 46:17 That is it. That you've said something. No, but you said I said a negative thing. Whatever. Maybe I'm wrong. And if I'm wrong, askiz. If I'm not, then directly to it. 46:26 Yes. 46:27 So what I'm trying to say to you is people have different, to go back, because now it's going to become a back and forth. 46:34 People can see you the way they want to. They have a right to. Stop listening to people about who is Utandega. Utandega will show you who Utandega is through actions. I've said to people, I don't enter business that does not concern me. 46:51 But whenever I'm addressing something, I'm factual. Opinions, they don't help anybody because you think this. It's not based in reality or truth or anything. But if you base something in reality, I can ask you, in reality, why are you wearing black on that day? 47:09 Can you say no? You can't say no. Because once you say no, you're lying. That's what it is. Opinion is something completely different. 47:16 So the point is... To answer for this question, you're saying that I don't need to explain who I am because you've decided what you want to decide and you can decide what you don't want to decide. But you'll see from me, I don't have to say who it is. Am I getting what you're trying to say? 47:32 Don't they shift the goalposts? 47:35 Once you say something, it's like kicking the camera. 47:37 I'm just trying to track the conversation so I can be where everyone is at. So I'm saying what you're saying to Phyllis is that, no, I don't have to sit and explain who Tandeka is. You can make your assumptions. 47:46 There we are. 47:47 Whatever has happened and shop. I'm cool with that. You'll see who Tandeka is. 47:51 But they know who Tandeka is. Okay, I hear you. People that hate you, they can know you. But they will stick even if it's not true. 47:59 But no, don't do it. Thanks, Shams, for extending that, right? But I want to challenge that, though. Like, come on, come on, come on. 48:06 As you should, challenge. 48:07 You know, we don't have to. 48:12 We are not compelled to by anybody. But there are certain societal and social cues that we have to adhere to to live in a harmonious environment as human beings, right? So I can go around saying I'm never wrong. 48:29 I've never said I'm never wrong. No, no, I'm just saying. I'm saying, I can go around as film pillar and go around and say I'm never wrong. 48:39 Fuck the world, fuck everybody else, whatever, I'm never wrong, right? But by virtue of existing in a space that is occupied by other human beings, at some point, I have to... 48:51 come down and say, for me to co-exist and be in cohabitation in a harmonious way with other people, I have to acknowledge certain elements of myself that is not cohesive to that kind of goal of being in a harmonious whatever, right? I'm not saying you should. 49:09 No, no, no. I want to answer you in what you're saying. 49:12 I'm getting there, right? So what I'm saying is... 49:17 You are entertaining. And I loved you on the show. Thank you. Even though your fans... No, honestly, even though your fans thought that I hated you. Yeah. Because for me, you guys on TV, on that show, are characters. Because I don't know you. I've never... This is the first time that we meet that I get to whatever. I don't know you personally. I'm only judging you based on what I'm seeing on my screen. 49:38 Right. 49:38 And what I'm seeing on my screen is influenced by the need for the price. Right. Number one, the camera. So there's an element of performance that is on screen, right? So my judging, I'm not judging you as a person that I've met. The person that I'm seeing on my screen. 49:59 With the circumstances that could design a certain outcome. 50:04 So with that, once the show is over, I'm able to... 50:08 close that chapter and remove myself from there and say, cool. I wonder who Tandeka is as a person. I've seen that. I've judged that. I've commented on that. I'm surprised that you're not coming after me because I've said much meaner things than Lundi and all these things. 50:23 How about your behavior on Big Brother? 50:26 I don't have to. So my thing is that I thought that this conversation was going to be on some, I want to get to know Tandeka outside of the 50:36 So it's like, before Big Brother, who was Tandega? Before Big Brother, who was Tandega? 50:44 But that's the thing, who Tandega already told you from the beginning? That's why you say cameras and certain things. I'll tell you about humans. When you say you have to coexist, that's what we call anti-social personality disorders. 50:59 Narcissists make it difficult for people to exist together. Psychopaths make it difficult for people to exist together, however. 51:08 Let me put this as, you talk to someone. Yeah. They're in a relationship. 51:12 A terminus one. With what you would call a malignant narcissist. Right? 51:17 Mm-hmm. 51:19 But here's the thing now. We get it. That person is horrible. Whether it was a female or the male, whatever. We don't care. That person was a malignant, what you might call a dark tattered. 51:29 They were horrible. 51:30 They deserve to go to jail for what they did to you and the emotional chaos that they've caused you, emotional deterioration, whatever. But at the end of the day, we say to you what you're trying to say. Are you going to be accountable as to what makes you draw these people close to you? So I'm very well aware with what you're talking about. I've never been a victim of anything. 51:51 I've even said that during a time when something was said, when you are in a high pressure environment, you've never been in that house. That's another thing. It's a very different environment. Isolated. 52:06 Is there a better way to have said something? Yes, there was. 52:10 But was there a better way to have said something at that moment of time? No, there was not. That's the only way it could have been pushed out. 52:19 That's what it is. 52:20 Whether you regret it or you don't The only redo you can do afterwards if, yes, if maybe we're in the Big Brother house again, we can do another redo of saying something in a certain way. But what made you do it? What made you do Big Brother? 52:34 What made me do it? I would say you're a private person and you don't like saying who you are and where you come from. 52:42 What made you do Big Brother? Because I wanted to. 52:45 Because I'm the woman that says I get to do whatever the fuck I want to go and do. 52:50 How did the opportunity come about? 52:53 Well, the opportunity is given. You go in your audition, they either choose, you have to be happy in life also to, whether they like you or they don't like you, that's why. Another thing is about existing in that place, you say, that's why I'm saying, Utandeg is Utandeg. Whether Big Brother decided to cut clips and do this and shift the narrative. 53:08 I think, I'm so sorry to break your word. I think what Londi is basically asking is, what incentivized you is it like a thing of like I'm Tandeka and I feel like I am I've like got this personality where I'm going to be a star and this is an opportunity for that or is it a thing of like there's money on the line we all want 53:30 I think it's pretty evident. You know what I mean? 53:31 So that's what... I think she's asking, like, what incentivized you to put yourself in an environment where obviously you're on camera, South Africa is perceiving you. I understood what Lonely said. You know? 53:40 And we have a tendency to want the response we want. 53:43 Yeah. 53:43 You're not going to get the response you want from Tande. You're going to get the response that she feels. You might not like it. She feels that is suitable for that particular thing. For me, it's not money-driven... The moment you become money-driven in that house, I've said this to people, you start to dehumanize people for 90,000 euros. Come on now. 54:03 Can we not? Because I feel like most people that went in the house went into both their music careers, presenting careers. What was your main focus? Because I wanted to. 54:12 Because I wanted to Just for the experience Oh yeah No I wanted to Just for vibes And the thing is I've said this before I have young siblings There's a point I'm 31 years old They are 13 and 17 I want to push them to Do what you want to do Take a pivot And I've said that before I said that in the audition I said Do a pivot in your life. You don't have to do one particular thing for the rest of your life. Yes, society has created us. We go and if you're doing law and now your whole life has to be law. If you have the luxury, it does come with the luxury to do something. If you have the luxury to do something, you go and do it. 54:45 I've had the luxury to do it. I've never gone in there for money. No. 54:49 You cannot be driven by money when you're going to go and coexist with other human beings. Yes, some people did and each they own, but Dutendek is not driven by that. And if I'm driven by fame and whatever, then you'd see me on social media very often. I want to be known for my work. That's why you don't see me very present unless there's something I want to say something I want to present something. And also for me, it was also for my siblings, which then as you in there, you then realize, oh, you know, there's more than your siblings. That is that you are an inspiration to other people. 55:21 It was also there's forever a child in you. 55:25 Embrace that. Whether you need to go and say sorry to that child within yourself, whether you need to say even those punishments that I got. For me, they reminded me of dress up in school. That's why I embrace them. And you go back, you've got tons of experience. So for me, it was to push that out for young people and for women to say to women, you don't need to be palatable for anybody. 55:52 Nobody needs to have the ability to swallow you. If they can't, they must move along. You don't have to be here. The same conscious decision you have, you have, you have, I have. If I don't like you and your gayness because they want to take the gay out of you, what do you want to say to them? 56:08 back off no but you see yes or no no no no i want to ask you that's beautiful you want to solicit it exactly the answer is no i'll ask your question don't get it speaking of work like no what work are you currently busy with like after big brother what what work are you busy with how are you sitting next to one right now so we're gonna about to dissect yes no we're getting there we're gonna get there and the rest 56:35 And let's guess what You guys didn't even know What this was coming right So the rest is a secret It'll come when it comes That's what people Who are known for their work Yeah Even your celebrities When movies are coming out They don't sit and tell you This movie's gonna come out Next year Or it's gonna come out In um 56:52 No, but when did Bazozoa end, guys? Come on. 56:55 It's been... But we're not here in Bazozoa. You are asking because you're trying to ever catch up. It's the first time we're sitting together. No, I'm saying after Bazozoa. 57:01 Tandega, we are interested because we love you. You are a public figure now. And people need to keep up with Tandega. And they are keeping up. Who is Tandega? And what is she doing? Even when Tandega is not present. 57:13 So you want to remain a mystery. 57:15 You want to remain a mystery. I am whatever. At the end of the day, you make your... That's the thing with me. I let people. You have the freedom to interpret, to turn together the way you want to. You may. If you're truthful to yourself, even you know deep down, you're going to go on explaining yourself to the world. 57:34 I don't explain myself. But I do tell people whenever I ask a question. 57:43 No, Tendek, you know what's going to happen right now. My man, Tendek, my man, my man, my man. 57:48 He wants to know who is this person. Why must we drink this drink? Let me just say this, right? And editors, don't cut this out. 57:54 Let me just say this, right? 57:55 We could have easily had Utandega for like three minutes talking about... 58:15 what she's doing with Sheila's Punch, right? But we wanted to have Tandeka for a longer period with us because Jen will lean. 58:23 We were interested in having to know about Tanneka outside of Big Brother. Let it flow! You know what I'm saying? No, but you're not giving... Ah, you're giving nothing. 58:33 You're not giving... Don't edit this part out, let me say. Don't edit this part out. Let me say. Let me say this. They are on some... You're sitting on a date. Tell me about yourself. Ah, don't be boring. Just let it flow. 58:45 Ah, let it flow. That's what we're saying. 58:47 Listen, listen, listen. 58:48 I've given a lot, though. 58:49 Listen, listen, listen, listen. 58:50 Um... 58:52 I'm trying and we as a unit are trying, right? To have a conversation. We're sitting in somebody's lounge right now. 59:03 Trying to have a conversation. Because we are all in the entertainment industry right now, right? We are all in different facets, whatever. We are all in that, right? 59:14 Girls, it's Women's Month. Having a conversation with… Yeah. 59:21 You don't even have to go that deep. 59:23 No, but you get what I'm saying. 59:24 We're just trying to get an answer for who she is. But here's the thing. I think that's the thing. I love that you keep saying that over and over again. 59:32 You're very intrigued, aren't you? 59:34 Of course I'm intrigued. I want to know who you are. And that's the point sometimes. 59:37 I'm not even intrigued. I'm just like anxious. Whether it's anxious, it's intrigued. Whatever emotion you have. Because I feel like you have, you definitely are obviously a very self-aware person. 59:49 You have all the the terminology in terms of explaining your thought processes about certain things. And I can always respect that because I would like to think I'm the same. You know what I mean? Someone who can articulate myself, my feelings, my thoughts in a way that is still a conversation that someone else can understand. I think what it comes down to is that no one wants this to be a hostile environment because obviously you are our guest and we're very happy to have you here. 60:20 And I think, like I said, people are just trying to know you and you can maybe, I don't know how much you can extend, but if you can extend the parts of you that you are willing to answer a question that he's asking. So let's say you don't want to say, I mean, you mentioned a significant other. No, you mentioned, you said like, oh, a significant other, da, da, da. We're not going to be like, who's your boyfriend? Tell us his name or her name. Oh, fuck, let's do it. Are you and Melly still together? 60:48 Are you and Melly still together? 60:49 No, we left each other long ago. Give what you can do. But you guys still do live videos together, something like that. 60:55 No, we left each other the moment we stepped out of that house. I think it's pretty obvious. Yeah. There's some questions that we really do not need an answer to. If Meli and I were not together and people knew or they didn't know, okay, they would know or they wouldn't know. But yes, Meli and I are still together since you're dying for a direct answer. Okay, fine. Another question. Another question. Another question. 61:17 No, let's get this over with. 61:18 Okay, it's fine. Okay, let's just talk about the drink. Vacancy audiences, not just you. Yeah, if people are like, I'm not trying. 61:24 We don't want to know about Tutandega, but we're sitting. It's fine. 61:27 Why must we drink this drink? Why must you drink this drink? Oh, you got to... 61:33 Experience. Is that also another question you don't want to answer? Wait, let's... Yeah, it's a question I don't want to answer. I'm just set to be bloop and be quiet about this. 61:39 I am on gas. No, let's not do this. It's fine. I love the sarcasm. Wait, wait, wait. 61:42 Stop now. 61:43 I've been saying test Tandega, so I can't wait to talk about... Why should we drink this drink, Tandega? 61:50 It's, first of all, I want people to guess the flavor, right? And you should drink this drink because a lot of people think that this drink was created for Utandega. And Umekji was like, Utandega, we have this drink and we want you to eat. No, it was not like that. 62:10 We created this drink. Nice. I came up with the flavors. Nice. As you can see, Milano Spritz. Quindi. 62:18 Why Milano spread? Oh, okay. The Portuguese thing. 62:23 No, Italian. No, Italian. Milano. Italian. 62:27 So must we try to explain the flavors? The sweet life. Do you want to explain the flavors before? Well, the Dolce Vita. 62:35 Okay, here's the thing. The flavors for now, I can't explain because there's still a thing where I want people to guess. It's something that we are. You understand? 62:42 So can we try it? 62:43 Yes, we try it. So we have Chiller's Punch drinks here, right? We just want you to taste and see if you know your Chiller's Punch drinks. Oh, that's fire. Because you have to know your drinks before you make your own one, right? Mm-hmm. So we want you to taste these drinks that we've put together and tell us which flavor of Chilla's punch that drinks is. No, wait. 63:06 Don't tell which flavors are in there. 63:08 But they're all Chilla's punch. She needs to be able to tell which one is Milano. Chilla's punch drinks. They're all Chilla's punch. But you must just guess which flavor it is. Guess your flavor, yeah. Oh, fire. 63:16 Guess your flavor from this. 63:17 Let's play game. 63:18 Our first game. At least we'll get some honesty with the game. Oh, you did cut out a fundamental part when I was saying in the creation of this. It wasn't just given. Yeah. It's something that we made together. 63:28 And again, people, going back to the original question, you see, that's how beautiful life is in Tandega with a great memory. 63:37 People have been wanting to know Tandega. 63:39 People have been wanting to support Tandega because Tandega after the house just disappeared. 63:44 And the thing is, I work in silence. That's just the person that I am. Know me for my work. Trust me when I tell you something is coming. 63:53 So with this, it's something that they say, Tandega, come up with the flavors. We want to hear. And we had a lot of flavors, by the way. I think we had about five. 64:02 And then it came down and boiled down to this, which is the more refined one. I have at home the second... 64:10 This one is crispier. 64:14 Yeah. Better. It is what is out there in the market. So finally, I guess you get to... Is this limited edition? 64:22 It's limited edition. 64:23 So how long can we have it for? Oh, we're going to see how it is. It depends on sales. It depends on sales. 64:31 It depends also because when we're designing a drink as well, it's about... Can people keep drinking this? And I went on a little experiment of doing that with my own drink. 64:41 I think about last week or so forth, yeah. 64:44 One thing I'll say about Chilas Manji, just in general, there's no hangovers. And I've got to love that because that's what made me stay away from alcohol. I was a drinker of, I drink once a year, every eight months because of that. But this, I was able to... 64:57 So you made sure your one also doesn't have a hangover? No, yeah. Okay. 65:02 I mean, it's Chiller's bunch family. 65:03 Let's taste the Chiller's book while the Chiller's is chill. 65:07 Yeah, but you're still going to have to explain to me how this deal came about. But anyway, let's go. 65:10 Oh yeah, I can't wait. 65:11 Let's start with that one. Let's do this. Let's start with the first one. 65:14 So we're starting... 65:16 Okay, sorry, I'm not going to be mic'd. Okay, that's fine. Give her and then take the notes. Take the notes. Don't say if you think this is the one, right? You're only going to say afterwards. 65:25 One answer, Tandega. Please don't say I have... Don't be hostile. You said not hostile environment. Don't be hostile. 65:32 What flavor? She's going to taste... 65:36 Don't edit this part out. 65:38 They said, don't be hostile. 65:41 Hostility. Please taste the drink. 65:44 So taste, don't say what it is. You'll tell us which of the three is Milano. 65:49 What flavor is that one? 65:53 No, we want to know all the flavors. Yes. No, she's not. No. What's this one? What's this one? I will tell you. 66:01 I'm going to place it here. 66:02 Okay. Yeah. She's got good memory. She knows the taste. Hostility. 66:06 Again. 66:07 Give me. Wait. You must say after that one. No, but you must say after that one. After tasting. I will do it. 66:12 I will do it. Don't worry. 66:15 This is this one, right? 66:22 No, it's there. It's there. 66:25 Oh, is there a card with the actual flavor underneath? Yeah, it's what the flavor is. 66:28 Oh, I love games. 66:30 Okay, cool. We should have more games. Okay, on top of it. One, two, three, go. 66:33 This is the original. 66:34 What's the name? The flavor? 66:36 I don't know the name. 66:38 We want the name. 66:39 I know it's original. The name. What's the color of the cider? Let me tell you why. I don't know the name. Just quickly. Because my first flavor that I loved was the ice. 66:49 And the second one was Caribbean Chaos. 66:51 That's Phil's favorite. 66:52 That was my favorite. And then my third favorite was what was called the Tequila Sunrise. I don't like that one. 66:58 Which one is this one? Wait, what's the color of the can? What's the color of the can, at least? If you're saying it's the original. 67:06 That has orange on it. Okay, sharp, correct. 67:09 Number two? It's correct. I saw the note already. 67:14 This is ice. Okay, open Phil. Open. Let's check. Is it ice? 67:18 It's ice! 67:19 Okay, last one. And the last one. And the last one. 67:25 Okay, the last one. 67:28 Yeah, ice is the best though. And it's always sold out, eh? 67:32 Oh, it's her one. This is the one. 67:35 Can I try it? Yes. Okay, now we can try it. I want you to try the cold one. Let's try it. 67:42 This one's very cool. The one next to you, this one's very cool. 67:45 Oh, so there was Peach and Mango is the one she couldn't name. 67:47 Oh, it's Peach and Mango. That's actually my favorite. Peach and Mango is my favorite. Oh, this is colder. This is colder. Please open. This one's very cold. 67:57 Try this one. 67:58 Try this one. But the can is cool. I like the green and the yellow. It's fire. I'm not a cider girl. 68:05 What glasses are we using? 68:07 Anything. 68:13 Is it like Like a peasant It's good I'm trying to pick up on the fruity undertone That's what I want They love things said all the time Isn't it nice to keep it guessing I'm trying to pick up on which fruit it is Specifically But I can taste the fruity undertone Should I give you the number of fruits that are in there 68:35 Yes, you should. Fuck, and I love food, so I'm sad that I can't. This is your promo. Think about it. This is your promo. Go for it. Oh, sorry. 68:43 Wait, is it? Wait. Mango? No, but we already have mango, but so I'm trying to. Is there kiwi? I can taste kiwi. 68:51 No. Mango? No. 68:54 You see what I mean when I say Keep the mind Let me tell you why The inspo for that was You know Tequila Sunrise almost tastes like this one I hate that Tequila Sunrise one I did not know Just one second This is less sugary though The Tequila Sunrise is too There's too much sugar Oh way too much sugar This is Somebody Yeah me and sugar don't really mix that much So this is less sugary than... But you know what, the mystery. 69:21 In Caribbean chaos, I only found out during the time that you were tasting for this flavor, what was in there. 69:28 So that is the inspo also for that, that you don't need to give people too much. 69:33 Let people wander. But I will tell, I will tell. 69:37 I'm not going to tell now, though. I can't. Can you tell us at the end of the show? 69:40 Yeah, I can tell you at the end of the show. 69:42 No, because I'm really so ashamed of myself that I can't pick up on fruit. I love fruit. I love that, though. 69:47 Are you enjoying it, though? 69:48 Yes, no, it is. And I love the strong fruit element. 69:51 How cold is this? No, it's not even cold. 69:54 I'm not going to lie. 69:55 It's nice. 69:56 No, I like it. Like, for real. 69:57 This is not. 70:00 This is not. This is not. 70:01 No, it's good. 70:02 No, it's really good. Phil knows I have cooties right now, actually. Yeah. Try that. But... 70:10 No, I genuinely like this. 70:11 It's good. Generally, I'm not a sugar person. I'm just not a cider girly, but this is good. 70:17 Yeah, this is not a sale. This is not whatever. I genuinely license. 70:19 In terms of the Brynston area, I've sold out Chili's Punch. So this will be the new one that I'm going to be buying because I like the mango. 70:26 Yeah, we're going to be having this. There's no mango in there. 70:29 No, I'm saying I like the mango and peach one. The original. So I'm saying I already sold that out. So I'm saying now it will be that one. This one, but I just need to figure it out. 70:38 So you're not going to tell us till when? 70:40 end of the show end of the show end of the show so we're gonna know you're gonna know but you can't tell I need to ask you this because like honestly honestly when are people gonna know what's in it you want it back are people gonna know eventually what's in it after we have to draw it like a competition because that's part of the allure the allure of it also I think but now the classes are full of things that are not really working out But I also just shared to, I don't know if you're listening, that Caribbean chaos. I did not know what was in there until I sat down at the tables while we were making this. 71:10 Is there a factory or what when it comes to elk? And are you tasting fruits? What does the tasting process look like? So you come up with the flavors. 71:19 like I want this as Tandika I want this flavor or this feel yeah and the the flavors were supposed to be Italian and South African because you're from the vault yes okay because I lived there for like nine years I love the name of it so it's very cool oh funny thing is it's not even the original name 71:38 What was the original name? 71:40 Very cool. Why not? Oh, we can't say. Vile Sprint. Oh, we said low. Okay, anyway. 71:45 It's like she just gives us energy. Hey, can I tell you this? 71:50 You are a very difficult person to interview. But anyway, love yourself. I need to ask you this though, because I think this is important. 71:58 No, I'm not sure if I can share it. That's the thing. I don't know if I can share that. 72:03 Oh, come on. 72:04 The name of it. Yeah, I don't know if I may share that. Let's call Mac. So Katala Wanko has nothing to do with me. What's happening now? What's happening? 72:16 Let me ask you this. It's very important. How do you go from being on... 72:24 Guys, can we have the show back? She likes talking to the men. We women. 72:31 Podcast shall actually look at where my eyes have been. 72:37 Guys, can we not do that? Guys, it's all cast. It's all cast. 72:40 We're just saying we're tired of not knowing. Can we have a show? We're allowed to say. I don't know if I may share that. And that's fine. 72:48 But we are sharing that. Ladies, ladies. 72:53 Oh. We're trying to promote the brand, yeah. 72:56 Yes, we are. Yeah, but can I just say something? I'm not sure if I can share that information about because it was... We said it's fine. 73:03 We said it's fine. 73:04 Yes. No, I didn't say I'm tired of that. No, I wasn't talking about that. Okay. No, I'm just explaining to her that I wasn't talking about that. Yes. 73:25 And then remove. 73:34 Okay. I'm with you. We're good with it. 73:44 I finally got this prescription. My doctor friend sent me a prescription. Is it for the boy? Yeah, I need antibiotics. 73:52 Are you telling me that? At least I'm starting them tomorrow. If you're in studio with people with issues, this tends to happen. So prepared. 74:01 Let's have fun, guys. Can we just have fun? 74:04 We are having fun. I'm having fun. 74:12 Thank you. 74:22 That's what Utandega is. 74:23 So we're going to... No, wait, wait, wait. I am how. Are we really going to have a show that we are all just sitting here asking questions with no answers and we spend five minutes trying to... Yes, you are. Same thing in the Met G show. Wait. And then we get attacked for asking. What are we doing here? That's not bad. 74:48 If we're not going to talk about... 74:51 That's why we're focusing on the drink. 74:53 Let's focus on the drink because that's the point. I just don't like that we're being attacked while we're at it, Mohaw. I understand that. 75:01 Okay, fine, you're private, but don't attack us on our show. 75:04 That's the point. Don't ask questions. 75:06 Let's focus on the drink and let's get to Popeye's and we leave it at that. Don't be too dismissive. 75:13 I was attacked two minutes into this interview. But then let's talk about the drink and let's go on with the show. And maybe we'll get more in other elements like that. Don't do that. But leave the questions about personal alone. Let's talk about the drinking. Yes. I took three hours. 75:33 Why did you leave with nothing? No, but that's not what we are. 75:36 No, we didn't leave with nothing. We didn't leave with nothing, guys. We didn't leave with nothing. It's okay. We're all working. I just don't like being disrespectful. No, you're being disrespectful. Me? Yeah. 75:52 Can we not feed stereotypes guys? Can we not feed stereotypes? Can we not feed stereotypes? Ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies, stop, please. 76:13 Please. I'm not defending. Lady, stop. Let her talk. Stop. I am letting her talk and you're not going to police how I talk because I'm the only person between the three of us that's tried to see the human element in everything. I've tried to neutralize it. 76:26 But I'm allowed to say that like, no. No, let me say something. Let's finish the episode. Can we just be professionals? 76:33 Can we finish that episode? Yes, I'm saying, can I say something? You got that right. Everyone has an obligation to be professional. Not just the interviewers, also the interviewee. We're all here to make a good episode. So can we just keep that in mind? That's all I'm asking. We're trying to promote something that benefits all of us. 76:53 You're not helping at all. 76:55 Wait, wait, wait. Here's the thing, right? 76:58 I'm trying to be neutral here, right? No, I'm trying to be neutral. You're saying to... 77:05 Our girls and with Tanaka, no, let Tanaka be when it's very difficult to have a conversation with Tanaka. If Tanaka is too close, then we're not saying she must not be herself, right? You saying, hey guys, this is Tanaka, she needs to be her. Wait, wait. Let me tell you how we received it. I don't know about them. Let me tell you how I received it, right? And I knew it was going to create that situation. How I received it on some, your guys are overreacting, let her be. 77:36 That's how we landed. Yes, that's how it landed. 77:38 And for me, when this is happening, I knew that it was Japanese. I think we were fine until you said that. I think we were fine. We were all fine. 77:45 That wasn't my intention. My intention was, we can't stay on this topic for a while. Because we are running out of time. We are. rather have us, right, move, pivots to something else. Something that is more collectively understood, like epiphanism, where you can actually move the story. You've already spoken to Tadega. You guys have had the push and pull. That moment has passed. It doesn't make sense for us to reintroduce it and stay at 78:11 That was some frivolous shit. I'm sorry, guys. We are fucking professionals. We are selling your brand here. And that conversation did not fucking say anything about the brand and all of that. 78:21 But I'm saying that it was not pitched to this show, as in Phil Mbella, Londi London, and Shamisa Moussaka, as we're just doing this to promote the drink. Then we'd all come in with the, it's about the drink. If we think it's an interview, then obviously we're going to ask questions about a person. Do you know what I mean? It's about the drink, right? So let's focus on the drink. Let's do papayism. Let's leave personal shit alone. Let's stop jabbing. And then telling me I can't. Like, this is my girl. I'm not comfortable with that. 78:51 With that promo for the drink going out. Listen, when that drop, that's big. That's been training and shit like that, right? People are going to see us talking about this brand. And hey, she's sitting here. 79:02 First interview, she hasn't been anywhere else talking about this brand and what she's doing with this, right? 79:09 And what we just shot right now makes us look like we're fucking amateurs. 79:14 Let's do the drink thing. 79:15 Why do you feel like you're amateurs? Why? We spoke about the drink. We spoke about the flavors being mysterious. I don't get why you feel like I'm amateur. We made her taste the Chiller's Punch. What was wrong with it, guys? I'm so confused. And she spoke about what work are you doing? And I was like, let's get to Chiller's Punch. 79:30 The drinks moment was fine. The drinks moment was fine. 79:37 Yes, it's the interviewing part that was not fine, but the drink part was fine. 79:41 Alright, let's go. 79:43 I'm good. I'm good, I'm good, let's go. 79:49 Yes. 100%. What are we moving to? We're going to... 79:53 So we're not doing fashion segments anymore. We don't have time. Okay, sure. I didn't even know that. 79:58 Then you have to segue into fashion. 80:01 The simplest way to move is to kind of wrap up with maybe a statement. 80:06 Yeah. The drinks and how you feel about it. And then you can have your final say on it. And then we move to Popeyes. Cool. I'm cool with that. Maybe she can make the statement to be like, yeah, get my drink. 80:15 It'll be out here. Because I'm personally, I don't think we have enough information to promote, you know, so she has the information. She could be like, yeah, well, guys, you've seen it here. They've tasted it. 80:28 Let's go. 80:28 We'll just ask her a few questions. Then she wraps it up with the drink. About the drink. 80:34 Not personal. 80:38 All good, all good. Am I supposed to be rude to your guest? 80:52 No, but don't agree on... For me, I just don't like being told what to do. 80:59 No, guys, if you all light the house on fire, then what must happen? 81:02 No, I'm not saying do that. But don't say, yes, I hear what she's saying. What am I supposed to say? 81:09 But we'll talk about it after. We'll talk about it after. Let's wrap it up. 81:14 All good. 81:19 Got you. 81:23 So we've tasted the drink. It's amazing. We don't know what's in it yet. We can't wait to find out. But like, where can people get this? Is it out? What's happening? Ultra store. 81:33 Ultra liquor. 81:36 I'm not familiar. I've been out of South Africa a while. Anyway, and pick and pay. 81:43 Tell me. Tops. You get a Tops. Tops. I know it's sold out in pick and pay. They said go to the Ultra liquor store. It's already sold out. 81:50 So it's been out. 81:51 So all major liquor stores that are sold out. So when has it been out? 81:56 But they did say head to Ultra liquor store. 81:59 When did it drop? Yesterday. yesterday and it's already sold out amazing stuff okay cool I'm so jealous because I'm like maybe Mac should we say Friday because it's not on Friday somebody did the picture on the can on Friday maybe Mac must give every show a drink like we have a pink drink for Read the Room you know Cassie Jams you know what I mean like every show also has a drink but you have to work hard for it Tandeka was pushing Chilli's Punch when she was their big brother. 82:25 I will go to the tasting for us. Okay. You don't have to be there. I'll go to the tasting. But anyway, don't be a Popeye. Make sure you get the newest Tandeka flavor of Chilli's Punch. And I want to say, guys, at the end of the day, uncancellable. 82:41 And it is controversial, the brand. Shout out to the Val, always. 82:48 I love it. Mystery all the time. 82:50 I want to know what you guys think. And we'll get the flavor at the end. 82:54 Or the fruit at the end or what. But in terms of Popeye Zim, you know, this is my favorite part of the day because I love to judge and I love to give advice and I love to hear Phil say... I don't have advice in this situation and I'd love to see Londi shake her head and be like, this person's dumb. Like, what the hell is happening? But anyway, so we've got, obviously, our victims for this week. Victim number one says, Hi, roomies. I'm a 22-year-old lesbian and I really need some advice about my relationship. 83:26 My girlfriend has been distant for months and I feel like I'm the only one putting effort into communicating. If I don't call or text her, we can literally go the whole day without speaking. I've brought this up several times, but whenever I confront her about it, she tells me that she's going through a lot and I need to understand what she's dealing with. Eventually, I stopped texting first to see what would happen. And we went two weeks without speaking. 83:55 Sorry, we were two weeks without speaking. Not because we had an argument, but simply because I stopped initiating contact. The crazy part is that I still couldn't stop thinking about her. I was hurting so much that I ended up calling her a few days ago because I miss her and I still love her deeply. I'm honestly so confused about what to do because I really love this girl but this relationship is becoming emotionally draining for me. Whenever I suggest that maybe we should break up, she doesn't accept it. 84:28 She tells me that I don't like peace and that I'm not understanding what she's going through. I'm trying to be understanding of what I have to do and what I have to consider as a partner, but I have to consider my own feelings too. I don't want to abandon someone I love if they're genuinely going through a difficult time. How do I know whether I should keep fighting for this relationship or accept that it's no longer healthy for me and I decide to leave? 84:58 Okay, so essentially what victim number one is trying to say is that she's been dating this girl. This girl has now gone quiet on her. 85:09 She then was like, you know what? What's going to happen if I don't initiate a conversation? 85:15 They didn't speak for two weeks, which for me already is crazy. Like, if your person could go two weeks without speaking to you, and now she's like, should I? Oh, no. Then the girlfriend is saying, no, but you don't understand. I'm going through some stuff. Yes. 85:28 You know? 85:29 And now she's like, okay, so what must happen? But for me, I just feel like, I know we all go through shit. Everyone is fighting for their lives every day. It's hard. There's no way I'm going to go two weeks without speaking to you. I might even say today that, babe, I'm going to take the next couple of hours off my phone and I'm going to go for a walk or whatever. But to not say anything at all, I don't think that's someone that wants to be with you. 85:54 It's for two girls. 85:57 I can't blame her again. I'm being contrarian for no reason, right? No, but honestly, here's the thing, guys. What is this codependency thing that we have in relationships with this? Childhood trauma What the hell Childhood I don't get it Because that's the thing Two weeks Two weeks You know I love you You know I got you Whatever I'm doing my own thing You're doing your own thing If you're not living together Right And you know I got you You know if something Maybe the other person Has an avoidance style attachment About having a look at that And it's about a person Knowing who they are Because clearly the other girl Has some issues 86:37 which is from childhood trauma of trying to always be the one who's initiating something. 86:43 Yeah. But I get guys two days, three days, but it's two weeks that we're talking about. It's a bit much. Like, there's no way I'm going two weeks without talking to my partner. 86:53 You're right. 86:53 Like, I need to know, like, What are you busy with? What's going on? Okay, fine. You're busy with work. We can go two days at least. 86:59 Max. 87:00 Three days. Two weeks. But you, you, you, you, you, you, you are the labby-dabby kind of girl. 87:05 No, but also full, there's a line. So you can go two weeks. Yes, I can. That's just desperate. No, labby-dabby is not desperate. No, it's not. But I say, 87:16 No, no, no. 87:17 You will never get to marriage stage then. You can't just give advice. The normal advice to give this person to cut it short is to say, hey, fuck this shit, move on with your life. That's what I'm saying. Dump this person. But the moment the person is not addressing the cause of what is the reason that they need to be initiating, why do they not feel, you know what, this is not for me, then you need to go back because they are more likely to go back to a partner that's going to treat them like that. But Seneca, don't you think there's a line between? 87:41 You're an avoidant attachment Work on yourself You're an avoidant attachment style type person But isn't there a line between Whatever you're going through And whoever you are And also that maybe your partner Just doesn't feel you anymore Because I don't think that you can Go two weeks Hold on Wait two weeks So she's saying that she If I remember I'm single now If I remember right She said that She has tried to break up 88:09 But this person is not... Let's be real. 88:12 Imagine even in a marriage, staying in one house and not talking to each other for two weeks. You know my ex? 88:16 That's healthy. My binga ex would go to Kezaren. That nigga was going to fucking Kezaren, right? And because I know he's in Kezaren doing his binga and Zulu things. 88:26 I didn't give a fuck. You guys are not in a serious relationship. You can't be in a serious relationship and not talk to your partner for two weeks. Like, let's be realistic. Even a day is crazy. A day... 88:37 No, I'm not saying the... 88:39 I'm saying at some point... A day is okay. No, I'm saying at some point, just... Hey, babe, finally got home from work. I just decided to take a day for myself. I'm going to sleep. 88:48 But that's not going to happen with that type of a person. The moment they're being left, that's when that feeling of... So what is your advice? Break up? I now... want you that's what that is what I don't think it's even the other person would be good not to listen to that shit and move on move on but work on yourself now I'm about now I'm about the next relationship they get into yeah because you can find out that it's a whole series of relationships that are actually exactly like this yeah because those people seem to pull each other in yeah okay so they attract to each other they attract to that person that's always yes you must get someone you know why Because when they were growing up, the parent was not giving the love and they were the ones who were chasing. 89:29 No, it's not even that. 89:31 I come from a very loving family, right? Relationships are all the same. Like with my mom, if I don't pick up my phone for a whole day and not talk to her, she's worried. What is happening to you? Have you gotten into an accident? No. 89:42 Like, she just wants to keep... It's not even a matter of sitting down and chilling with you and going out on a date. 89:46 Now we're storing it in there. It could be. It could be. It's just a simple check-up. It's not a... Like, are you okay? Okay, sharp. 89:52 And you go on with your date. It's not like, I want to go out on a date or whatever. I'm saying to be considered because that is the easy way out of it. People say, hey, I'm busy. It was this. It was the accident. That's fine. Nobody who loves you... would do that to you, which is what you were saying. They would tell you. But I'm saying that there are matters that are beyond that and people just simply just fucking go to therapy for God's sakes so that you can flip and treat people right and they can have a good experience because that fucked up person has been fucked up but that person, they come to you and they fuck you up and then they fuck you up and then you leave them and then they fuck you up. 90:24 So you say which one is fucked up? 90:25 The one that wants the partner to talk to them or the two that not talk to her? At this point, all of them are fucked up because she's fucked up. 90:30 So wait, at this point, we all should go to therapy. 90:35 All I'm saying is in every relationship, communication is key. And sometimes communication is not possible. 90:45 Move on, the both of you, and go get some help, both of you. Can I just say this? Can I just say this? Can I just say this? 90:50 Can I just say this? Can I just say this? Can I just say this? Can I just say this? Can I just say this? Guys, Mina, with Nip, all right? 91:00 We got into a relationship and we got to understand each other. We are not there. 91:05 I'm going to test you every two minutes. I need to know where you are all the time. Whatever, right? Oh, we have a name. I'm like, did you just name someone? Oh, shit. 91:13 Oh, fuck. 91:13 I'm confused. We have a name. 91:15 Please let it flow. 91:17 People don't interact. I'm so shocked. I'm just like, are you sure? You know we're rolling. Anyway, anyway, anyway. 91:23 Okay, shut up. Love that Zulu nigger, right? And it worked for us. 91:27 Oh my God. 91:27 And here's the thing. Why does relationship have to be homogenous and monolithic? Simply because, like, what the fuck? Because people are damaged. No, because we're different people. No, but you like to act as these people. Your trauma is not my trauma. 91:41 Your trauma is not my trauma. Why am I carrying your trauma? You can't tell me that person was not aware. I'll go back to that. They were not aware. Their sons were always there. And the problem is... Your partner's avoidance. People... Yeah, no, no, no. Don't act like you were born today. Yeah, you see the red flags early on in the relationship. That's what I'm saying. People, you're going to run into these issues and half of you... Do not even know How to carry yourselves In a relationship People have normalized That you need to fight In a relationship You said communication But people are incapable Of communicating When the line of communication From the fundamental stage At the foundation Were broken from the first place You're the parent That's just shouting at you You never have a say And you never speak Um the way that you feel and you want to challenge a certain thing because you feel that your parents were wrong the way that they treated you. 92:29 You're going to carry that throughout your life. You're going to do it to the next partner. That partner that was not listening to you and always victimizing themselves. And they're very good at that. They're the victims. No, but I've been trying hard and I just feel like you're not giving me the credit. You know, the person has been running on credits all along. And another thing is that people do is keeping quiet, giving the person grace. The other person is not going to interpret it as giving grace. They're going to say, Oh, well, I can get away with a certain thing. Speak up. Call up the bullshit. We know it's fucking difficult for you to call it up because you're scared you might lose the person. 93:01 If it is that, let them go. 93:03 You're not going to be happy. 93:04 So let's stop acting as if people do not carry any issues amongst themselves. Everybody carries issues. 93:10 You carry issues. You carry issues. 93:13 I carry issues. You do too. The difference is... 93:19 The difference is, what am I doing as a person to recognize that I have certain issues? 93:24 No, this is why it's very important for us to all heal before we get into relationships. 93:30 You have to heal from your traumas before you get into a union with anyone. 93:37 And then you focus on yourself. Exactly. Because when you get into a relationship, you need to get in a hole. 93:45 I got something for you to ask. Next story, next story. Before we get into the therapy session, music house is on. I got something for your ass. 93:55 You know what I mean? Can we have this every week? 94:02 So it's still women's month. We should do that sleepover soon. 94:06 We definitely need to do a sleepover. Even if we do it ourselves. Mac, you hear beefing with politicians via AI. Give us a sleepover. You hear making drinks. Fire, by the way. Give us the sleepover. I don't even, I can't believe that we only had time for one papayism story. Yeah. But keep messaging us. I love that the number is even readily available and there or whatever. My shout out is to all the women because it's Women's Month. Shout out to Londi. Shout out to Tandeka. Shout out to all the women at the network. 94:36 Shout out to my mom. 94:38 Everybody involved who has a vagina. Shout out, man. Shout out. 94:42 Shout out to Johanna Peña that did the event in Limpompo. It was very lovely. I had a beautiful time. Z Nation, Rose Fest. Yeah, shout out to all the ladies. 94:53 Well, yeah, shout out to all the women. Happy Women's Month and Happy Women's Day that happened on the 9th. I love you girls. 95:00 You didn't send flowers, but I appreciate it. I don't have money for flowers. I don't have money for flowers. 95:05 But it's a whole month, guys. But anyway. Set us flowers tomorrow. 95:09 Listen, shout out to Tanegam. Yes. Shout out to you and the new flavor of Chilla Sponge. 95:15 It's beautiful. It's delicious. 95:16 It's a beautiful design. And honestly, guys, honestly, honestly, I enjoyed it. 95:22 drinking this. I'm not a sugar person. It tastes good. I don't like the Sunrise. What's it called the other one? Takila Sunrise. Takila Sunrise. Too sugary. Not for me. 95:30 It's very sweet. The ice one is the best one. 95:34 But now we have a new favorite now. I think it's for those people who don't. Example, my friend. They don't like alcohol because of how it tastes. So Takila Sunrise is for them. 95:45 It's sugar I like the taste of alcohol Thank you for mentioning the ice one Because that's also my favourite I've been drinking the ice one And look, I'm amenable To switching to Milano Do your friends know that part of what adds to a hangover Is the sugar 96:04 So if you like the taste, you're probably going to be regretting it tomorrow. This is like a perfect balance. 96:09 That's the funny thing. The chillers didn't. And they did say less sugar, but I've had. This is a perfect balance. Because I've tried the, I think I told you, from the ice to the Caribbean chaos, and I've tried the ice. 96:19 Listen, I'm gonna ask you about this brand because I've already seen on social media, people are saying that it's sold out, sold out, sold out, sold out. That's fine. Thank you for coming through. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being, you know, open to having this platform and conversation with us. I know you're not going to tell us what's next for you. But what is next for Tanega? But I'm going to ask it anyway. What's next for Tanega in terms of Brent Tanega? Your fans have already given you a 1 million. 96:48 How much? 1 million rants. 1.2? It's over a million. Yet to be a thing. Yeah. So... 96:57 Yes. You've got a loyal fan base. 96:59 What's next for Tandegam? If you can say what you're already working on, but what's next for you in terms of aspiration and what you want to go into as a brand and as a personality? 97:10 Big things. Let's have those conversations. That's another thing. And yeah, let's become human and... 97:20 Big things. 97:22 But what I want to say is that Chiller's Punch, ungovernable, unregulated, and as difficult as the conversation here might have been, at the end of the day, it bears testament to to their brand. Again, we might be a political party, they said. I don't know about that. Don't know about that. 97:44 Never be palatable to anybody else. Be you. Be you enough to actually be able to drink yourself. 97:50 Okay. So never be afraid. And yeah, stick to your fucking guns. 97:55 Anybody who's watching this... 97:57 I'm a woman's man. That's what I'm saying. Because I couldn't have said it before. 98:00 Yeah, roomies that are watching this that are not familiar with Big Brother, that might not be familiar with you, where do they find you? 98:06 In terms of what spaces do you occupy? 98:08 Your social spaces. Oh, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook... 98:16 Do you run your own pages? Because there was an issue with somebody who was running your pages and asking people for money. So which one is the official? I want you to say it in your own voice so that people know that they're dealing with the right person. 98:26 I'm going to be honest about it. 98:29 I don't really know some of the other page names, but there is someone who runs the pages, but I have access to them and I do respond and set people online, but in a very particular way. 98:42 But what's a safe space? Like if your friends want to support you and whatever, who's that? 98:49 Can you name the person? 98:50 Because I'm trying to avoid people that are using your name to scam people. To scam people, no. So I want you to be able to say, Jorge, these are the right platforms and the right whatever to go to. If you can't say them, who's the person that they can trust to represent your name? 99:04 Ulunga kanyile, guys. If it's not him, not Ulunga elo, not anything. Because there are people that were giving away money to some other guy on, what is his name? PayPal. 99:15 It was Oolongelo or something. 99:17 People were just sending money. 99:18 In SA that much. You understand? So it's not Oolongelo. It is Oolonga. And unless something is officially posted on my page, then it is not approved by me. So please wait for that, guys. Otherwise, you know, be you. Be authentically Milano. 99:36 Goodbye, guys! 99:37 I love you. Can we give a chance to say goodbye? 99:41 Yes, yes, yes. 99:41 Thank you for coming through. Thank you. 99:43 Thank you for coming through. Thank you. 99:46 Cheers. Enda! Enda! 99:51 Ciao!